Its got chat rooms just like WinMX. A bit of a jump for a WinMX user. But if you're a filesharer you've got to learn sooner or later.
I don't like MP2P. Soulseek's potential has never really impressed me. Every rare music file can be shared on any other network just as easily. I think Newsgroups would be 2-3 steps ahead for the average WinMX user.
WinRar, Quickpar, News reader, ISP's news server, its alot to learn. I like KCeasy, but its not easy. You've got to manually update node lists for all networks.
More than one open port. No magnets or any hyperlinks built in. While I agree with Limewire and Ares being #1 and 2, I would have though that Direct Connect and and Shareaza would be higher up the list. Direct connect has a lot of varied communities, like WinMx used to, and Shareaza is much easier to get into for a WinMx user than the middle alternatives like BT and Newsgroups while being in a faster class than Edonkey.
Shareaza also had some of the best international language support in a p2p app, which is great for WinMx users who hail from many different countries. Kceasy seems like a good music solution (and it fact it was when I first tried it) but in practice it fails to work properly. Last time I tried it, only openft of the Gift plugin networks could consistently connect. SlyckTom wrote:Well, just because a item is listed low doesnt mean that it is inferior.I may still play around with the numbers however, depending what kind of consensus develops.
So far it seems that everyone agrees that: 1) Limewire 2) Ares What should be 3? OpenNap should perhaps be added? I don't have numbers, i can't say anything about this top10 without taking a guess into the wild.
I do know that a logical maybe temporary alternative at this moment are the opennaps for winmx users just because it's the 2nd choice in the app. I also don't know who you call 'everyone' but you can be sure that a large percentage of the readers here will never post.if. that is your reference. Yesterday f/i i talked to a person who is a clanmember from the wpnp and they were thinking about irc to move to. It's hard to say anything but this top 10 will surely influence a lot of ppl (unintentionally?) into a direction where I as a network owner don't want them without any other chances than my own posts to make them consider the opennap option. Greetz, Elly Posts: 28 Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:18 am Location: The Netherlands.
Asks: 'I've recently started using the Mac as my primary computer again after a hiatus of several years. All 'switch' jokes aside, I'm liking it very much, except for the decided lack of good P2P software. I always used Kazaa on Windows, but the best app I've found for the Mac is Limewire, which is a tad slow to say the least. What do Slashdot readers in the Mac community use for P2P?' I've been using for a short amount of time and have found it useful. It's no WinMX, but it works.
What other P2P programs have you found that you like? Want to know why your band is not traded P2P. No its not because your music is bad. Your music is good.
The problem is marketing So why is your music not wanted? Because there is no need created for it by marketing, my airplay, my feature stories, by high profile touring.
And why dont you have these things? Because they cost money that's right, slash dotters, it costs money to create valuable marketing. So maybe you don t like marketing or the music industry telling you what to listen to.
Here is what you do. First ask your self why do I want to download this piece of music, why do I feel the need for it, and why am upset that they want to charge me 17$ for the CD in the store? Its because you feel the need for it.
You dont feel the need for this poor no-name band that wants you to steel their music. You feel the meed for that metallica Cd, an Metallica wants you to to pay not steal. So the bottom line is this, there is lots of free music from bands that want you to take trade P2P. But you dont want it. THe music you do want cost money. Since you wan tit has value, and they are entitled to sell it you for as much as they like. You dont have to pay, but it is stealing to just take it.
So dont steal, just take the music bands want for free. If you haven't heard of them by marketing well that's tought, that's part of what you were paying for when you bought the CD. But please dont say you are trying to crush and oppressive music industry. If you really wanted to crush them then trade P2p with this unknow bands work. If you aren't then your just a hypocrite.
No better than a looter in a riot. You cant get caught but it does not make it right. Stop listening to bands that use marketing and charge money and you will have made your point ethically.
The fact of the matter is that our minds are completely owned by the recording industry and other media conglomerates. Music relies intensely on being involuntarily introduced to us over time. While when asked I like mostly obcure and innaccessable music there is a a certain place in my heart for the music that is pumped into my brain every day in retail, walking down the street, talking to dumb people etc.
And while I wish I could be snobby enough to ignore it, the music is catchy, and super produced, the content of the music is what it does to your stereo not necessarily weather it challenges you or is actually good music. Also they own our pasts. It's not likely you lost your virginity listening to snotglobs from Iowa, you were more likely listening to a song distributed through old fashioned channels. And as such whenever you want to feel sentimental you have to either pay the Riaa to kill your future or steal the music.
If a network could be developed to introduce random independent music into one's home based on demographical responses and previous preferences one could develope a new kind of marketing. People want to create and share and it's a sad world to live in that people don't think music is worthwhile unless it is marketed heavily and obtrusively forced into your mind. Its wrong and it hurts musicians and people in the industry. This should read: Its wrong and it hurts musicians and people in the music theft industry. Let me explain. The musician makes music with revenue potential.
The crafty music theft industry executive provides incentives to the musician to sign on the bottom line (or merely fools the musician into signing without fullfilling said incentives). The musician no longer owns the noteworthy music, nor governs how it is used. Now, due to file sharing, the scenario can change.
Let me explain. The musician makes music with revenue potential.
The crafty geeks of the net develop distribution technology such as P2P. The musician no longer governs how the music is used but.does. still own said music. Fewer barriers between musician and listener increases the rate and volume of distribution of said music to the public. Listener discovers and aquires new music 10x faster than when music was controlled by the music theft industry e.g. Controlled radio playlists. Listener becomes very interested in hearing newly discovered music live.
Musician makes money touring. Is the new scenario better? Definitely for the listener. Definitely not for the record theft industry. And for the musician.? If the musician was previously discovered and getting fat on music theft industry incentives, then probably not better.
If the musician is not on the inside track to the music theft industry (ie. Does not have enough revenue potential or has undiscovered revenue potential or is not even interested in revenue) then the new scenario is much better. This latter group of musicians represents the larger of the two groups by far. Record companies are a thing of the past.
No one has record players anymore. (DJ's please dont flame, you represent a niche.some might say fad.). There is an interesting sourcefourge project called sourceforge.net that is a kazaa shadow client.
From the homepage: What exactly is Neo? Neo is a Cocoa shadow client for the Kazaa network, written exclusively for MacOS X. Neo is not a real Kazaa client, and never will be; the company in charge of the FastTrack (Kazaa) network won't allow third parties access to their encrypted protocol. So what is a shadow client then?
Instead of connecting to the nextwork, Neo scans through IP ranges looking for Kazaa hosts, indexes their file list, and stores them locally on your hard drive. Then, when you search for files, only the files that you have indexed on your hard drive will be searched. I've used it a couple of times and it seems to work well once you download a sufficiently large number of host from the master list. furthurnet.com is probably my favorite that runs on OS X. Bands that allow taping (and they're more numerous than you'd think. Phish, The Dead, and The Black Crowes are there, but so is everything from Louis Armstrong to the Beasties) are traded freely on this app, and I've grabbed more than 35 gigs of tunes. Most serious traders use softsound.com format (.shn), which is a lossless compression format that brings that patch from the soundboard right down onto your Mac's hard drive, no questions asked.
You can translate these into aiff or wav files pretty easily, and burn CDs right from iTunes. Furthurnet's UI and search protocol (borrowed originally from Gnutella, I believe) could use a little spiffing up, but it's a GPL'd, ad-free application that works great once you're used to it.
I haven't gotten online yet and failed to find at least one show within a few minutes of searching for whatever artist strikes my fancy (though admittedly Doc Watson is about as esoteric as I get). Course if you're just looking for warez, I haven't helped at all, but if you want some great tunes for free via your new-found love of the Mac, you can't get any better than Furthurnet. 'PS' If Limewire is running too slowly, it might be a 'Java problem'. Make sure your app has an Aqua look & feel to take advantage of Apple's JVM's hardware accelerated GUI widgets. Having a video card that supports Quartz Extreme would help a bit as well.
'PPSS' In what little spare time I find I have (when I'm not writing this post), I've been trying to port Furthurnet to Mac OS 9. Had some luck, but nothing to release just yet. So if you're not using OS X, upgrade.:^D. I've found LimeWire to be way too unstable-it can't handle too many files, and it's slow. However, it does manage to connect to other peers better than other software that I've sampled. Acquisition is a neat idea, but it doesn't work too well. Not much of an interface, either.
MacPhex is cool, and I like its interface. It crashes on me whenever I try to change the port that it listens on, and it hasn't been able to hold a connection well. ISwipe is okay if you're searching, but I wasn't able to download some songs from OpenNap when I tried-I don't think it has a very good grasp of the protocol. It also limits you to sharing only 100 files on Gnutella. I do like Drumbeat X, although that's OpenNap-only, and you have to pay for it.
It's kind of slow (only when you're sharing many files), but it works well. It seems like this one has been out on the windows side of the computing world for quite some time. The OSX client is pretty new, but it is really nice. You connect to a chat room or hub and can then search download from the other participants in that room.
There are not to many mac rooms at the moment, but media content is plattform agnostic anyway. Get it at neo-modus.com And I know that you shouldn't steal music.
Up until now I never did. But I happen to own an iPod and it really pisses me off, when I can't put the music from a legally obtained cd on it just because some record companies think that they are funny. Copy protection won't stop me from stealing music - it will me get started. I've had very good luck with mldonkey. It has a lot of files that are not on limewire and it downloads very reliably. It downloads from multiple clients at the same time. If the remote side disconnects it saves state and picks up later when the file reappears somewhere else - this is perhaps it's best feature.
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Sometimes (if a large/rare file) it takes a long time to download, like days, but after seeing this work you get used to it and consider it as a real background activity. Check back in a couple days, it's magically there. There are several interfaces.
I'm using the web interface, which is fine but took some figuring out. It also requires a bit of unix skills to install (first install fink, then symbolically link /usr/local/lib/libdl.dylib - /sw/lib/libdl.0.dylib).
There is no shortage of P2P file sharing clients for the Mac. In fact one of the first clients was Mac only for some time (Hotline). This is a short OS X only list. Gnutella Clients: MacPhex, Mactella, Limewire, Fern, Acquisition (one of my favorites). ISwipe Kazaa client: Neo (not a full client but it works) Napster/OpenNap clients: XNap, also iSwipe Hotline Clients: Frogblast, HotCocoa, Pitbull Pro, Zombie, FineLine, Heidrun, iSwipe(again), Ripcord.
Others: KDX (a new and really very nice Mac/Win compatible P2P server/client. Great if you can ignore the immaturity of it's developers. Carracho: A Mac only P2P client/server.
Works very well. Direct Connect: DirectConnect, Java DirectConnect There are a ton of other options that I'm not listing but to be honest I could be here for a lot longer and 'It's a Wonderful Life' is on.so Happy Holidays and happy downloading. 'There is no shortage of P2P file sharing clients for the Mac. In fact one of the first clients was Mac only for some time (Hotline). This is a short OS X only list.
Gnutella Clients: MacPhex, Mactella, Limewire, Fern, Acquisition (one of my favorites). ISwipe Kazaa client: Neo (not a full client but it works) Napster/OpenNap clients: XNap, also iSwipe Hotline Clients: Frogblast, HotCocoa, Pitbull Pro, Zombie, FineLine, Heidrun, iSwipe(again), Ripcord. Others: KDX (a new and really very nice Mac/Win compatible P2P server/client.
Great if you can ignore the immaturity of it's developers. Carracho: A Mac only P2P client/server. Works very well. Direct Connect: DirectConnect, Java DirectConnect There are a ton of other options that I'm not listing but to be honest I could be here for a lot longer and 'It's a Wonderful Life' is on.so Happy Holidays and happy downloading.' I forgot to mention that all of these programs can be found at: versiontracker.com.
Actually, they are person to person. They are client/server combos which happen to be separated into two apps which focus on wither managing files on your cmoputer, or accessing those on others. Other P2P software such as Gnutella, WinMX, Kazaa and others are just combined client/server apps, but they work the same way, except that you can search for files on all servers on the network, as their is no authentication control. These are all 'P2P', but just work in different ways, all person to person; from the person running the server to you being a client on that server, or vice-versa. P2P usually refers to the clients and servers being end-users on the internet, vs. Commercial servers hosted on guaranteed bandwidth. They are client/server combos which happen to be separated into two apps which focus on wither managing files on your cmoputer, or accessing those on others.
Other P2P software such as Gnutella, WinMX, Kazaa and others are just combined client/server apps, but they work the same way, except that you can search for files on all servers on the network, as their is no authentication control. These are all 'P2P', but just work in different ways, all person to person; from the person running the server to you being a client on that server, or vice-versa. P2P usually refers to the clients and servers being end-users on the internet, vs. Commercial servers hosted on guaranteed bandwidth. Mind you, your explanation is complete bullshit - but I'll play along. Here, I'll give you one, too: RAM and hard drive space are all 'memory,' it's just that one is inside your computer and the other isn't. Sounds good to me, what about you?
There is a wide selection of stuff, and you can often post requests and find them filled. Your speed should generally be consistent as you're either connecting to a server at your ISP or to a high-bandwidth paid Usenet provider, there's a community with regulars and chat, and (when using a good server with decent retention) the items posted stick around for days or even weeks. Unfortunately, Charter (at least when I stopped using them) both throttles and limits Usenet connections (IIRC, 2 connections totalling 20k); on Roadrunner I can have unlimited connections and speeds totalling 200-300k. Since I'm one of those weirdos who doesn't like to steal (what can I say-the RIAA and MPAA stink nearly as much as most of the crud they release, but I wouldn't want some guy to drive off in my car because he doesn't approve of used car salesmen), I particularly like the availability of groups dedicated to bootlegs/promo-only material. You can also investigate Old-Time Radio, which is great for commutes/long trips.
(And the reply.) This is how Gnutella works. On a good day, you might successfully download one out of every 100 files attempted.
On a good day. Be patient, make sure you are connected to lots of hosts sharing large numbers of files, and only attempt downloads from quality (3-star) hosts.Accurate? Is the post-Napster landscape this hit-and-miss?
Also, isn't it the case that P2P is much monitored by the entertainment industry these days, or have the news media been presenting a false picture of its level of intrusion/intimidation? Fink python, wxpython, wxunix, then download pyslsk from sensi.org. It runs in X Windows. Supposedly it works in wxmac, but only an older version or something. It's got most of the features I desire. It's much faster than other clients, but I can't tell if it does swarm downloading. Since most of the users seem to rip their own full albums, swarm downloading might be difficult anyway.
It also has a really interesting business model. If you 'donate' $5 per month to slsk.org, you get to skip to the front of queues.
It makes it very tempting to give them money, but it doesn't threaten to kill the community by closing it to non-paying users. overnet.com released their command line overnet.com. If you do not fear the terminal, then use Overnet. Overnet is compatible with the edonkey dllinks. You can find the available files with their corresponding links at sharereactor.com.
Just type 'dllink' in overnet and paste the link from sharereactor to download the file. There is no fancy GUI yet, but I'm sure that when this gets bigger, it will have one. I highly recomend this application, but be warned of it's lack of gui. For other file sharing information I recomend zeropaid.com. Although they don't have the latest mac software, and they are mainly M$ users, they can give you a general idea of the programs available for download.